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here's our interview with scott shea

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what do you believe is the most

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evidence or argument for religion over

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atheism

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well

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so let me say this first of all

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i'm going to just start with what is the

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most compelling evidence that there's a

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creator a maker an almighty that the

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universe didn't just come into into into

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being and here i also take i take

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basically science to prove it because

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you know one of the things that was

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one of the many casualties of the 20th

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science in a certain kind of way which

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has become scientism

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where science says certain things but it

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can't go beyond that

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it can and that's where we've got into

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scientism where people say the science

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says

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science

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has its limits

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the

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us living in a universe with

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either six famously six constants in

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other words numbers that have no

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relation to any other

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field force

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of nature

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they're required for our existence

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they're required to forget about our

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existence they're required that they

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could be sons

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i'm talking about the strong nuclear

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force the weak nuclear force the force

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that's essentially dark matter that

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keeps things expanding the force of

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gravitation they're just constants and

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some of them if they were very little

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very very small differences the universe

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wouldn't be able to be here in the way

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that we know it or hydrogen wouldn't

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have been able to

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etc i don't want to go into too much

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detail but the way that scientists

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posit that this was all

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you know this

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hugely unlikely scenario of the universe

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existing as it does is that we're one of

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many multi we're one of many universes

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in the multiverse right you've heard the

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multiverse so that they're an infinite

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number of universes we happen to be on

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the one universe

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that is fit for our sort of carbon-based

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now if you believe that it's okay

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but it's no

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more than a belief

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like believing in god

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because there's no proof of the

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multiverse there's no proof that there's

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any universe behind us i mean

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ask any scientist there's no proof

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there's math

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okay but if you

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the percentages of

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all of these constants being random

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numbers and we being in this correct

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universe to have life so that you and i

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can be talking

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it's one in many men divided by many

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many many trillions trillions of

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trillions now that doesn't mean that we

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aren't just so lucky that we are the one

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divided by trillions

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it's unlikely

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and it

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begs for another

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and yeah that's an offerous one yeah i

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mean to put it simply we don't know what

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happened before the big bang and science

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hasn't explained that you know i know

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some people don't necessarily even

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necessarily

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buy into the big bang but most

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scientists that's the best explanation

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right is is big bang but

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to put to put it simply what happened

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prior to the big bang so scientists

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can't explain that

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um and therein lies the possibility of a

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creator

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want to call it but

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to me that still begs the question okay

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so there's a creator is this a creator

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in the type that we talk about in

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religions of

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our world which is this god who's paying

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attention who's judging us who cares how

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we live our life

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that

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sends a big flood in

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that has heaven in hell i mean that's

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what i'm talking about when i talk for

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me that's atheism versus non-atheism

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because to say that well gee we don't

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know what happened but before the big

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bang and gee maybe that was a crater

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okay i could buy that but what i'm not

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buying

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is a god where

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humans are any more special than any

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other animal in fact let's stick with

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that one right there i'm just curious

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your thoughts on that because if you're

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a believer in the bible humans are

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special compared to any other living

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being on earth i don't see that i

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believe in evolution and if you see

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evolution everybody came from a single

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cell amoeba in the ocean and we evolved

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into various

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uh different life forms and humans

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happen to be one of the life forms

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yeah so first of all the people who

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i i believe that evolution is definitely

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a process i don't think there's any

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doubt about that to

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accept it on its own terms but

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no one is actually a darwinist anymore

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even among scientists

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everybody is a neo-darwinist in other

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words darwin first came up with the idea

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of natural selection

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and that works and we can see that

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before species

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we by the way have no evidence no

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understanding for what happened pre-k

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pre the cambrian explosion because if

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you go back

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um you know

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a few hundred million years ago to the

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cambrian era

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at that point every major species

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there were no there's not any

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substantially new phylum there aren't

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any really new phylums that have arisen

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you went from an era of say

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three billion years

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to a period of

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a few hundred million years where we

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were during those billions of years we

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had we went from

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cells that didn't process oxygen the

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same way to cells to process oxygen the

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same way we do to maybe some

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not bigger than the earphones or not

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bigger than you know the tips of our

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um and then all of a sudden we have

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everything that became the mammoths and

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became prime eds and became reptiles etc

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evolution could conceivably work

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but when you consider the number of

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in and you consider i'm sorry the number

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of amino acids in a protein

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and you assume you make a heroic

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assumption that every generation there

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is a major mutation and then you figure

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out and you have to do this

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most mutations result in the death or

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sterility most time death or sterility

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of the next generation very few

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mutations are positive very very few

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and if you just do the math evolution to

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human beings could work but it would

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still take another

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eight or ten billion years

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you're on a good

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thread here but would you say the same

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thing about apes

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that that that that

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would not have evolved by now

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pre-cambrian oh for sure there would be

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no apes right now if you just follow the

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of how long and i'm not i'm not taking

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any heroic assumptions i'm actually

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being very kind to evolution one

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mutation

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per generation

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that ends up being effective

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from you know if you have enough time if

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you have the entire time in the universe

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then ultimately you could get to people

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but that won't happen before a sun

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explodes

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and becomes and engulfs us so what if if

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if we go with your uh theory here then

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what does that tell us because on the

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one hand you're saying yes evolution is

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not at a speed that could explain humans

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so my explanation is is that

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some being wanted humans

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now whether that being wants it because

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they enjoy

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watching us interact

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care i can't go to the point where i can

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prove there's no proof but but to be

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clear that that

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entity wants humans and it wants apes

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and it wants a lot of other

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animals that you're saying would not

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have evolved to this point yet

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so what would have evolved

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what could have evolved to this point

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based on your theory as we look out at

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the math um there would be small

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creatures that would probably way less

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than the size of you know again

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thank you again to scott shea you can

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check out either of his books in good

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faith questioning religion and atheism

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or his new book conspiracy you wherever

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you buy books thank you to our producer

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michael parker thank you all for

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